Curse

Obrien Xp · Apr 30, 2009, 03:54 AM // 03:54

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Originally Posted by Gli

Game designers are fascists now for eliminating exploit options!

I do agree that this is a fix that extends far beyond the solution of the actual problem. The solution of the actual problem would be to aggressively pursue and perma-ban cheating match-manipulating scum. If we're going to be fascists, let's be serious about it! Oh well...

oh good grief I invoke Godwin It is a form of match manipulation and it is technically illegal though it is currently disputable whether or not it is fully illegal seeing as it is possible that it was agreed upon by both sides. I for one am against manipulation unless agreed upon by both sides of the match.

DreamWind · Apr 30, 2009, 04:08 AM // 04:08

I think the only conclusion we can get out of this is...Anet is retarded. They are just retarded with the power to do whatever they want. Nice combination. /lock

Gli · Apr 30, 2009, 04:30 AM // 04:30

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

oh good grief I invoke Godwin

You should've pulled Godwin at the OP. I just quoted his mention of fascism.

Still Number One · Apr 30, 2009, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

They could make it the most fun experience in the world and people would still do it the fastest way possible with doing any work. Thats just how title grinders /roll.

This is more than likely true. However it doesn't take anything away from the fact that they have completely ignored HB in almost every update since it was introduced. I don't even play HB but even I think that is messed up.

Shuuda · Apr 30, 2009, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Another "liberty"... lolwut?

Video games are not a democracy.

Mr. G · Apr 30, 2009, 10:46 AM // 10:46

You know this thread could have been something if the OP took time to write a nice debate question rather than throwing a temper tantrum and ranting about "Liberties" and "rights"

Take a lesson here folks.

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 30, 2009, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Kaon

Next I have more than 1 argument i'll make seperate threads for each, otherwise it is clearly too hard to understand for the average PvEr, this is proven by exhuberant amount of brainless responses.

But yes, I do think rolling should be allowed in Hero Battles as well. I stated my reasons clearly and it seems most people don't agree. I'm fine with that, in fact I don't give a flying RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about the most boring game mode in guild wars. I do think its ridiculous that this game mode has now negatively impacted game modes I do like, without good reason.

If you are an example of an average PvPer they all should be ashamed. Please note the highlighted words above and you will see what this whole rant entails.

scruffy · Apr 30, 2009, 01:19 PM // 13:19

anet is really smart in how they fix problems, they are so smart in fact that i gaurentee they are discussing changing it so that in all pvp arenas both teams are blue to prevent the red team from resiging.

hats off to anet for eliminating the problems at their source.

Mekhet Ossa · Apr 30, 2009, 01:32 PM // 13:32

How am i now going to play Monopoly in The Vault?

ANet, please, enable /roll again in all game modes except Hero Battles.

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 30, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by scruffy

anet is really smart in how they fix problems, they are so smart in fact that i gaurentee they are discussing changing it so that in all pvp arenas both teams are blue to prevent the red team from resiging.

hats off to anet for eliminating the problems at their source.

The only real way to eliminate the problem is to either stop HB altogether or eliminate the people who abuse the mechanics of the game.

kedde · Apr 30, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Pretty much noone gives a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO about 1v1. It's a bad mode, flawed and boring and was broken from the beginning.

/roll was retarded, but only because the game mode was retarded.
Removing /roll did nothing to fix anything related to the problem, it only served to remove yet another little fun diversion some players had a lot of fun with.

That's the entire argument, that this decision was completely retarded.

Instead of removing something like /roll, they should've fixed the game format instead.

Whether he agrees to /roll being wrong or not is completely and utterly irrelevant to anything and everything.

Elephantaliste · Apr 30, 2009, 03:56 PM // 15:56

/roll was abused, it got removed for this reason.

Am I right when I say that public whiners about this fix are actually hardcore abusers ?

(of course sometimes people are enjoying abusing things... but it doesn't mean abused things haven't to be fixed !!)

Kaon · Apr 30, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

If you are an example of an average PvPer they all should be ashamed. Please note the highlighted words above and you will see what this whole rant entails.

What the hell is your point? So far you have contributed nothing to this thread but spam and haven't responded to my arguments once. This is exactly in line with 90% of the rest of the responses so I can quite easily claim you're an average PvEr. This means you're retarded and lack the brain capacity to read a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing thread.

Improvavel · Apr 30, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Elephantaliste

/roll was abused, it got removed for this reason.

Am I right when I say that public whiners about this fix are actually hardcore abusers ?

(of course sometimes people are enjoying abusing things... but it doesn't mean abused things haven't to be fixed !!)

Did that removed/stopped the abuse?

We already know the answer - and it is no.

Whatever opinion each people has about HB its irrelevant.

Some people enjoy playing it and they should be able to play it the way its designed - fighting - and have their fun.

But on the other hand removing /roll accomplished 0 to fix this - now red team resigns. And if it wasn't that way it would be rock, paper and scissors.

What they accomplished was removing roll form all the other PvP areas.

It isn't really that important but makes you think what the the Anet dudes are smoking when they come with this brilliant ideas.

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 30, 2009, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Kaon

What the hell is your point? So far you have contributed nothing to this thread but spam and haven't responded to my arguments once. This is exactly in line with 90% of the rest of the responses so I can quite easily claim you're an average PvEr. This means you're retarded and lack the brain capacity to read a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing thread.

My point is that you only care about how it affects your game play and nothing else. My point is that you cannot carry on a civil conversation without resorting insulting people who don't agree with you. My point is that your OP is just a bunch of QQing and nothing else. My point is most people in this thread do not agree with you. Do you get my point!!

Kaon · Apr 30, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

[QUOTE=Risky Ranger;4611402]My point is that you only care about how it affects your game play and nothing else. My point is that you cannot carry on a civil conversation -... [QUOTE]

And this is where I stopped reading because there has never been a conversation. Ergo: what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you talking about?

Also, of course what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you saying with "it only effects my gameplay." That's a piece of nonsensical bullcrap. If it didn't affect my gameplay I wouldn't care, just like I don't give a remote shit to what happens in PvE. Only this time my gameplay DOES get affected and there is no good reason to do so whatsoever. This is the point of the thread.

You're so dumb I can't believe I'm even replying on your posts.

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 30, 2009, 06:54 PM // 18:54

[quote=Kaon;4611428][quote=Risky Ranger;4611402]My point is that you only care about how it affects your game play and nothing else. My point is that you cannot carry on a civil conversation -...

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And this is where I stopped reading because there has never been a conversation. Ergo: what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you talking about?

Also, of course what the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO are you saying with "it only effects my gameplay." That's a piece of nonsensical bullcrap. If it didn't affect my gameplay I wouldn't care, just like I don't give a remote shit to what happens in PvE. Only this time my gameplay DOES get affected and there is no good reason to do so whatsoever. This is the point of the thread.

You're so dumb I can't believe I'm even replying on your posts.

Please continue as your credibility (if you ever had any) just slowly slips away with each word you type. Your contention that if it is fun you should allowed to do it doesn't hold water. My suggestion is for you to go find a game that allows you to do as you want. I doubt you will find as even Anarchy Online has rules.

Ebony Shadowheart · Apr 30, 2009, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Kaon

THE MAIN PART OF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT EVEN ASSUMING (WHICH I DISAGREE WITH) ROLLING DESTROYS HB.

IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BANNED IN OTHER FORMS OF PVP AS GVG=/=HB.

This is simply how Anet resolves issues.

It's not that /roll was an issue in the other areas of pvp, it was probably more along the lines that the coding to simply remove it from all pvp was simpler than specifying 'if....then....else' for various pvp areas in order to allow it in some and not others.

Take a look at what they did to soul reaping because of the issue in HA with spirits and minions. Instead of simply removing the SR from those 2 things specifically they cut down how many times per 'x' time you get the SR energy, and eventually removed it from spirits and minions as well. It's an old argument, but you get the point.

Anet prefers to fix issues with an axe, rather than a scalpel.

Martin Firestorm · Apr 30, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

My point is that you only care about how it affects your game play and nothing else. My point is that you cannot carry on a civil conversation -...

Please continue as your credibility (if you ever had any) just slowly slips away with each word you type. Your contention that if it is fun you should allowed to do it doesn't hold water. My suggestion is for you to go find a game that allows you to do as you want. I doubt you will find as even Anarchy Online has rules.

He made a valid point, whether you agree or disagree. Of course he's concerned only about how it affected his gameplay. What else would you expect? He's not claiming to be some sort of community spokesman, as I gather you are. If there's a credibility problem here, I believe its yours.

Personally, I don't care much about this, and not at all about HB. But what's the point of disabling an emote to prevent HB wins without actually fighting if there's still 20 other ways to do that?

Rocky Raccoon · Apr 30, 2009, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by Martin Firestorm

He made a valid point, whether you agree or disagree. Of course he's concerned only about how it affected his gameplay. What else would you expect? He's not claiming to be some sort of community spokesman, as I gather you are. If there's a credibility problem here, I believe its yours.

Personally, I don't care much about this, and not at all about HB. But what's the point of disabling an emote to prevent HB wins without actually fighting if there's still 20 other ways to do that?

If having fun involves abusing a game mechanism where is the valid point?